New Members chinese_learner_123 Posted April 27, 2025 at 05:01 AM New Members Report Posted April 27, 2025 at 05:01 AM I just got into the Tsinghua IUP program for one semester of language study, and I've been given only a few days to make the decision of whether or not to attend. I'm trying to decide if it's right for me. I know the program has a reputation for being rigorous and intensive, and that's what I want; I'm going to China for 4 months with the goal of improving my language proficiency as much as possible. However, a professor I know told me that the program is so intensive and time-consuming that he wouldn't recommend it. He said students in the program are so swamped with work for their lessons that they have absolutely no free time. I even read one review of the program in which a student said he spent upwards of 85 hours per week on his studies. In addition to studying Chinese, I do also want to have some free time for exploring the city, experiencing food/culture, seeing museums, meeting Chinese friends, etc. Was wondering if anyone who has done the Tsinghua IUP program in person might have thoughts on this and would be willing to share their experience? Were you able to find any time for cultural enrichment and leisure activities in addition to your classes? Or did you find the workload unreasonably excessive? I'm looking to study pretty intensively, but I also don't want to completely shut out time for exploration and enjoyment of my time in China. Quote
New Members Ichampto Posted April 29, 2025 at 04:00 PM New Members Report Posted April 29, 2025 at 04:00 PM I haven't attended IUP before but am enrolled for their upcoming academic year program. I researched extensively before landing on IUP to study Chinese, and based on my findings it promises the largest language gains for the time commitment. Nothing but glowing remarks from in-person participants. 85 hours per week sounds more demanding then what their curriculum communicates (4 hours class - 5 hours study per day), but I guess we'll see how the workload lands this September. I hope the curriculum is as flexible as advertised, as I plan on being upfront with my teachers that learning to write Chinese characters is not a major priority for me, and I want to reinvest all of the time I would be memorizing character strokes into speaking and listening. Let me know what you end up deciding as I'd love to meet other IUPers. One con that I've read online is that the limited class sizes and sole focus on learning doesn't create a lot of opportunities for IUPers to get to know each other. Quote
New Members wk0818wk Posted May 12, 2025 at 07:06 AM New Members Report Posted May 12, 2025 at 07:06 AM The Tsinghua program is certainly excellent, but if you want to improve your Chinese, I personally wouldn't recommend Beijing or Shanghai. These two cities have a large number of foreigners, and young Chinese locals there also have relatively good English proficiency. If you aim to enhance your Chinese, I would suggest considering other northern cities instead. Compared to southern accents, northern Mandarin pronunciation tends to be clearer and more standard. Good options include Tianjin, Qingdao, Jinan, Dalian, or Harbin. Quote
Jan Finster Posted May 12, 2025 at 06:46 PM Report Posted May 12, 2025 at 06:46 PM On 5/12/2025 at 9:06 AM, wk0818wk said: The Tsinghua program is certainly excellent, but if you want to improve your Chinese, I personally wouldn't recommend Beijing or Shanghai. These two cities have a large number of foreigners, and young Chinese locals there also have relatively good English proficiency I think most of the language learning happens in class. I would not think navigating everyday life contributes that much. Quote
Jan Finster Posted May 12, 2025 at 06:49 PM Report Posted May 12, 2025 at 06:49 PM On 4/27/2025 at 7:01 AM, chinese_learner_123 said: However, a professor I know told me that the program is so intensive and time-consuming that he wouldn't recommend it. Maybe go to a class that is at or slightly below your level (?) Also, students have different goals and learning speeds. Are they studying day and night to be top of their class or to barely keep track (?) Quote
Moshen Posted May 13, 2025 at 12:09 AM Report Posted May 13, 2025 at 12:09 AM Quote I think most of the language learning happens in class. I would not think navigating everyday life contributes that much. I'm not sure about that. When I spent a year working in China, my daily interactions trying to get things done in my (maybe) HSK3 Chinese were a crucial part of my language learning. It is one thing to go through a textbook lesson on conversation about haircuts and another to go to a salon where no one speaks English and to interact so as to actually get the haircut one wanted. Ditto for ha having get-to-know-you conversations in class versus going on a train and having those conversations with random Chinese travelers. 1 Quote
Lu Posted May 13, 2025 at 07:44 AM Report Posted May 13, 2025 at 07:44 AM On 5/12/2025 at 9:06 AM, wk0818wk said: young Chinese locals there also have relatively good English proficiency Best seek out the older Chinese locals then. Quote
Jan Finster Posted May 13, 2025 at 03:14 PM Report Posted May 13, 2025 at 03:14 PM On 5/13/2025 at 9:44 AM, Lu said: Best seek out the older Chinese locals then. Yes. Beijing and Shanghai have so many people, it is guaranteed Op will not run out of options to practice Chinese. Going to a tier or 3 city out of false fear seems unwarranted IMO 1 Quote
New Members dchusky Posted June 5, 2025 at 05:08 AM New Members Report Posted June 5, 2025 at 05:08 AM @chinese_learner_123 and @Ichampto, do you guys happen to know anyone attending Tsinghua University this summer? Quote
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